#95169
06/30/2007 07:34 PM
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Hello again all, I was just wondering if I could get some feedback regarding this badge. Real,repro? any info would be helpfull. Looks good to me but would like others opinions and reasons they think it's good or bad. Thanks Duzig(Bill)
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#95170
06/30/2007 07:36 PM
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Reverse of badge: Again thanks
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#95171
07/01/2007 12:26 PM
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Question, is the central disc a raised separately applied piece? I see no shadow.
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#95172
07/01/2007 03:36 PM
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The best I can do at the moment is a scan of an old picture of my example. --dj--Joe
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#95173
07/01/2007 04:48 PM
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I don't remember any threads on telling original from repro on these. Of the 2 I have one is similar to yours and unmarked and the other is marked L/58.
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#95174
07/01/2007 04:49 PM
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07/01/2007 04:49 PM
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#95176
07/01/2007 04:50 PM
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07/01/2007 04:50 PM
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#95178
07/01/2007 06:10 PM
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Hello, Joe & Raymond I thank you for your replies. I do believe that the disc with swastica is separately applied but I will see if I can get more information regarding it. Is there anything special to be on the lookout for regarding repros of these items. Lettering etc? And there should be two dots over the Fur correct? Again I thank you for your help and welcome any others info or comments regarding this badge. Duzig(Bill)
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#95179
07/02/2007 09:11 PM
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Bill, I do not recall having read anything specific to look out for on repros of these awards. It may come down to a hands on inspection.
We'll see what you hear back and I will attempt to lay hands on my example and try for close up scans.
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#95180
07/03/2007 02:37 AM
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Hello Joe,the disc apparently is separately applied. I initially was thinking about bidding on this item because the price was extremely good on it but have now decided I'll just wait and bide my time,I really would like to get a cased one actually. The price is still good on it but the auction is on for another 4 or 5 days and I bet there will be other bids placed. Probably still will go for a decent price but for myself I think I'll just wait. I do appreciate your help with this item and even though i probably will not buy this one your help and information will aid me in the future, As always I thank you for your help. Bill
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#95181
10/14/2007 07:42 PM
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I've read that there should be no space between arms of the corss and letters "L" and "N" in word Loschwesen. These letters should touch arms of the cross. Also I prefer FB crosses with ball instead or ring...I've seen "muzeum copies" with this ring - I don't know, i am not expert. Maybe it's ok but personally i would choose the unmarked one with ball and nice shiny lacquer and sharp defined letters.. Actually i hunting for nice one
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#95182
10/15/2007 09:39 PM
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Cysior, I do not remember hearing about spacing between the arms and lettering being a concern. Do you recall where you read this? As to my example none of the letters touch the arms of the cross. It is an unmarked ball suspension type that shows prior wear much like it was originally on a medal bar. Even the swas. retains remnants of the protective lacquer.
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#95183
10/16/2007 01:25 AM
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Joe - about space between arms and letters - I had read this on WAF forum - but it was more like personal opinion of member. What about "U" in word FUR - is it umlaut, with dots?
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#95184
10/16/2007 03:39 PM
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Cysior, thanks for the reply. My example has umlauts above the � in F�R and the � in L�SCHWESEN.
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#95186
10/16/2007 10:20 PM
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Yes - 1st class is much larger then second class, and should be vaulted not flat like the one with robbon.. when i finally find mine (2nd class) i'll post some pix
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#95187
11/16/2007 07:41 PM
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quote: Originally posted by derjager: Cysior, I do not remember hearing about spacing between the arms and lettering being a concern. Do you recall where you read this? As to my example none of the letters touch the arms of the cross. It is an unmarked ball suspension type that shows prior wear much like it was originally on a medal bar. Even the swas. retains remnants of the protective lacquer.
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Joe i just found that thread. maybe someone should ask Craig Gottlieb what he finally did with that medal bar? Sold as oryginal or copy? http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t...highlight=fire+cross
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#95188
11/16/2007 09:03 PM
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Joe, the link to the fake 1st class doesn't seem to be working????
Here's my early 1st class..... With Umlauts. Excuse the rainbow effect on top arm, glare from the scanner.
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95189
11/16/2007 09:05 PM
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Reverse, heavily vaulted.
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95190
11/16/2007 11:34 PM
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That's a great 1st class piece, one I still need to add to my collection. You just don't see too many of those out there, legitimate ones I mean. Here's a cased 2nd class with one my favorite bayonets.
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#95191
11/18/2007 05:47 PM
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Don, Billy G., nice. Very nice. The first class is on my wish list. I'll have to start a new wish list for an engraved fire bayonet. Just own plain models. --dj--Joe
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#95192
11/21/2007 05:41 PM
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Here's amother you may like to see. Unfortunartely the glare makes it look gaudy & the letters soft. They are infact crisp & sharp with both sets of umlauts. It doesn't lay flat on the scanner which gives an odd effect to the shape of the lower crurves with the wording on as well . I have images taken with my camera somewhere, but I can't find them at the moment..... I'll keep hunting. Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95193
11/21/2007 05:42 PM
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"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95194
11/22/2007 12:43 AM
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Don,
Killing me. You're absolutely killing me with those beauties.
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#95195
11/22/2007 04:28 PM
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Thanks Billy, that's a lovely 2nd you've got there, believe it or not, I don't have that class yet! This still isn't the image I'm looking for but it will have to do until I find it. A little sharper than the one above, at least the umlauts are visible on the lower word this time Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95196
11/22/2007 04:35 PM
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The gilt really sets the enamel off nicely. --dj--Joe
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#95197
11/24/2007 10:58 AM
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It certainly does Joe.
I give up, I can't find the good shots that I have of it. But I do have one of it in it's little home.....
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95199
11/24/2007 11:33 PM
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I would say the ribbon in question is probably just faded from sunight. A very nice looking trio IMO.
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#95200
11/24/2007 11:33 PM
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Cysior, the ribbon is faded. You have to credit the forum and the owner of a picture to use the image. Unless the image is yours or you have permission to use it. let us know if it is yours or you obtained permission and it will be reposted. --dj--Joe Looks like I was a nanosecond slow on posting a reply.
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#95201
11/25/2007 01:08 AM
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The picture does not have signature or water mark, so i don't think i need someone permision but if you decide to remove it, please remove my whole post with picture
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#95202
11/25/2007 04:07 PM
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Cysior, since the picture does belong to someone and came from a different forum I feel permission is required and credit needs to be given. However let's see what the general consensus is. Members please respond. The image can always be replaced.
--dj--Joe
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#95203
11/25/2007 04:53 PM
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I agree with Joe.
If permission can not be obtained then maybe post a link to the thread on the other forum instead.
However it is sometimes against a forum rules to link to a rival forum so this should be checked first.
Cheers Don
"Much that once was, is lost, for none now live who remember it"
Galadriel, LotR.
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#95204
11/26/2007 02:06 AM
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I think Joe & Don make a lot of good points. Credit should be given for photos whenever possible, it's only fair to the poster. If obtaining permission to post is not granted, under the circumstances GD should allow a link to another forum's thread since I believe the object of our involvement is purely enjoyment & education.
On that note, I just started using a watermark myself after posting pics for years without any type of identifier. Not that I'm any Cecil B. Demille, but what bugs me is I see questionable guys on Eban using some of GD members' photos on auctions that I can only believe to be scams.
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#95205
11/26/2007 02:24 AM
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I think that whenever possible the poster should give credit to the owner and forum, as Billy said if the forum will not give permission then a link should be posted to the other site. We all benifit from either position by seeing other examples of others badges whether there members here or elswhere. Cysior, see if you can get permission from the owner or forum admin so we can repost the pic or at least link it to here. Like Joe said we can repost with permission. Thanks
Fritziii
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#95206
11/26/2007 04:19 AM
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I'm a photo pirate myself. I try and list who the photo belongs to but sometimes it gets lost in time and I'll just post the photo anyway.. Cysior, if you know the site where it came from just credit that site,,,"photo credit ~>0^@#% site". and be done with it... IF you can't remember,,and there's no watermark,, site logo,, or emblem on it don't mention anything,,just post the photo and your question/opinion. ...,G.
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#95207
11/26/2007 11:46 AM
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Gaspare - I foud that picture somewhere on Wehrmacht awards - i did not keep link but i kept picture. End of story. ps.If scamer need a picture it will take him 3 minutes to remove your watermarks/signatures (unless you know where to put your signature) or he can download pictures from ANY website using "print" button without ANY problem.
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#95208
11/26/2007 06:18 PM
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The link has been located and inserted in place. Will clean up the posts that do not pertain at a later date. If all are in agreement. Back to the subject of Fire Service Crosses. Thanks to all. We kept it civil and reached an end result that all should find fair and aggreable.
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